Accidents should add points to your license just like tickets if you are found to be at fault.

"Noah - Now with more boost." (antriebverliebt) 04/16/2018 at 08:15 • Filed to: None

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With suspension or even revocation of driving privileges on the table for repeat offenders. Consider this: my dad is 76 and has never been in an at fault accent because he’s a defensive driver. Yet I once met this girl in college who had totaled 6 cars. Why is she even allowed to be on the road at this point? The girl even told me that story like it was cute and funny because she knew I was into cars. Are you kidding me!?

Welcome to the United States, where passing on the right is illegal, but often the only option.

The distracted/careless driver problem we have in the USA is not just due to lack of skill or poor instruction. Those are both exacerbating the issue, but the lack of consequences for repeat offenders beyond more expensive insurance is also a major issue as far as I’m concerned. Put simply, people just don’t care about following the rules around here. That’s hard to address. You don’t even get in that much trouble for drunk driving until its happened a few times. In Sweden your first offense can be up to 6 months in prison and a year of no driving privileges.

Yeah, isn’t that cute. This snapchat shows up on GIS because the dude took it after a fatal accident. USA! USA!

Take the woman I saw doing her makeup at a red light yesterday, for example. She should be afraid of some kind of expensive consequence for doing that. But what can a police officer even write you a ticket for in that scenario? Cosmetology while driving? What would the state police rep say in court? That her eye shadow was too on point? I know we have cell phone laws but even those are totally useless unless a cop looks over at your dumb ass while your phone is in between your eyes and the road.

“yea bro the game last night was fuckin sweet. im driving RN, whats up with u?”

 Regardless, Miss Maybelline was the first person in line and didn’t notice that the light had turned green until someone honked. Only then was her bedazzled pocket mirror tossed who knows where as she floored it away from the stop; from Mascara to full throttle in less than a second. Hopefully she didn’t rear end someone trying to pick up that mirror when it was time to do her eyebrows.

Just like this, but with more sequins on the back of the mirror, and it was barbie pink (of course)

In Germany, the Autobahn works because following the rules is part of their culture. And on the highway, you stay to the right. Derestricted section or not. In the United States? The opposite is true. We often pass on the right - which is technically illegal - because there is nowhere else to go. On an otherwise empty highway, someone in the passing lane will just cruise alongside someone else in the middle lane, and now you have this block of slow traffic developing with absolutely nobody in the right lane. Not for any particular reason, (though Prius drivers seem to enjoy this more than most) its just because nobody cares about the rules.

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Our distracted and careless drivers need to be punished. Consequences would scale with the severity and frequency of your offenses. I know someone who has backed into her own cars in her driveway multiple times. It’s straight as an arrow. She needs a driving lesson, not another trip to the local body shop so Amica doesn’t find out. That is just totally unacceptable. Paying an extra $100 per month because you hit someone while speeding through a parking lot for the second time this year should be the least of your worries. How is such blatant disregard for the rules any different from some idiot with a spray can defacing public property repeatedly? That will land you in prison.

I would absolutely vote for a system of at fault accident based remedial courses, license suspension, and loss of driving privileges. There needs to be some middle ground between “lol I was txtng and rear ended u, sry” and having a court date because you finally killed someone after flooring it through one too many yellow lights. Right now there is absolutely nothing beyond an insurance hike. That is not enough.

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Spanfeller is a twat > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 08:20

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I think there’s a lot of nuance here, and it be hard to place blame in many accidents, but I agree in the end.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 08:25

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TL;DR: Beware all, the Florida Man, Driver Edition™ epidemic is spreading

kanadanmajava1 > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 08:33

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We don’t have a point system but you will loose your license if you make one big mistake or several smaller ones. These are usually speeding. One exceeding ~30 km/h over the limit takes away your license immediately but three minor ones during one year or four ones during two years does the same. Causing an accident, running a red light etc are treated similarly.

Our penalty system for traffic violations is a bit weird because the most severe level is actually quite low. In here the penalty level can be the same if you do a wheelie with a motorbike on an empty street or go 300 km/h on a crowded highway.

Party-vi > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 08:35

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Headlines:

Man With 60 Years Experience Has Fewer Accidents Than Woman in College

Countries Way Older Than 250 Years Old Better At Doing Stuff

Liam Farrell > Spanfeller is a twat 04/16/2018 at 08:39

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In Massachusetts we have comparative negligence of 51%, so multiple people can be faulted for what they did wrong and how bad it contributed to the crash, but only the person most at fault gets in actual trouble. Overall it works out well because if both people are equally at fault it doesn’t matter then.

functionoverfashion > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 08:41

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Ha, I kind of thought there was some such thing... maybe in some states?

Liam Farrell > kanadanmajava1 04/16/2018 at 08:47

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After the fact if there’s enough evidence police sometimes will give tickets to the at fault driver, but as far as I know that’s somewhat uncommon.

facw > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 08:49

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We often pass on the right - which is technically illegal

I don’t believe this is actually true anywhere in the States. Every rule I’ve looked at has an exception for the case where there are two or more lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. It seems like the standard law is basically forbidding passing on the shoulder (or I guess on a very wide single lane).

Setting that aside, you are right that we probably should be tougher. One problem is that even if you suspend someone’s license they’ll frequently just drive anyway. One one hand that points to a need for better public transit, more bike lanes, etc. so that people who have screwed up don’t feel like their only choice is to drive. On the other hand, there should be stricter penalties for driving with a suspended license.

We are of course reaching the point where we may be able to do facial recognition on drivers and automatically flag drivers with a suspended license, though we are already at that point with license plate recognition and police not only frequently ignore expired registration/insurance/inspection, but even stolen vehicles so even if the tech is there, we may not get a response.

I would also say that mandatory insurance minimums are at least an order of magnitude too low, you can bet if they were higher, insurers would be more aggressive about pushing for more training, and much quicker to cut off bad drivers.

kanadanmajava1 > Liam Farrell 04/16/2018 at 08:55

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Here it’s quite common procedure to ticket all parties at the accident scene. “The innocent” party has to apply for correction later on.

Spanfeller is a twat > Party-vi 04/16/2018 at 09:02

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Germany is 24 years old and they seem to have their shit together... for now.

Wacko > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 04/16/2018 at 09:03

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says Florida Boy

(-;

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 09:03

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The points system you outlined is somewhat reminiscent of the system used in many European countries. However, unlike Europe, U.S. infrastructure is car based, with many places completely without proper public transport infrastructure. This means MOST people in the country NEED a car to be a productive member of society.

Any legislature that aims to take away someones ability to contribute and take care of themselves likely would not pass. And IF such a system did exist, many would end up driving without a license anyway (like many people who drive after they lose their license from too many DUIs), as it is obvious they have no concern for the rules of the road anyway.

I agree with you that ideally there SHOULD be more consequences for for behaviors that ultimately harm others, but personally I believe that ideally the more effective solution is better public transport . With better public transport infrastructure in place, those who are disinterested/scared/unable to drive will have an option that suits their lifestyle better, and those who choose to drive can be held to a higher standard, with public transport as an option if one can’t meet those standards, as in Europe.

Thomas Donohue > facw 04/16/2018 at 09:04

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Came here to say this.....passing on the right is legal when there are two or more lanes moving in the same direction. Passing on the shoulder is illegal. (not sure about all states, but certainly in NJ)

Wacko > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 09:05

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here in quebec you will get a ticket when your are found at fault during a accident. It’s up to the cops judgement of the situation.

(running a red, speeding...)

I did not get a ticket wen i totaled my car, it was winter when i lost control after someone cut me off.

DipodomysDeserti > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 09:11

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If you are found at fault in an accident, the cops will usually write you a ticket which will add points to your license.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 09:13

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Some states already have this in place.

Chuckles > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 09:16

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One potential perk of our autonomous car filled future is that it will take control out of the hands of a lot of negligent drivers.

Aaron M - MasoFiST > Liam Farrell 04/16/2018 at 09:32

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Massachusetts also has a points system for accidents, and accidents are significantly worse for your record than speeding tickets. However, Massachusetts operates on what’s called an “economic need” basis. No matter what you’ve done, if you can prove you need your car to get to work then you will never actually lose your license. I’ve known guys with 5 and 6 DUIs who still had their driver’s licenses because they commuted to work.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 10:15

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So you want America to be more like Australia?

Urambo Tauro > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 10:39

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Bad driving needs to have consequences. There obviously aren’t enough licenses being taken away when people drive with an attitude of “I am willing to endanger myself and others in order to save 45 seconds from my commute”.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Spanfeller is a twat 04/16/2018 at 10:49

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I’d say Germany is a lot older than that, but part of it went offline for about 40 years.

Spanfeller is a twat > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 04/16/2018 at 10:52

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Germany was AFK, the Axis in their controller was destroyed :/

Dusty Ventures > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 10:57

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I agree with you, but I do have to point out one thing. Passing on the right is in fact legal so long as it’s done in an actual travel lane.

Noah - Now with more boost. > Party-vi 04/16/2018 at 11:19

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So at this rate how many cars is that person going to total? Deep into the double digits. You oversimplified just a *little* there pal.

Noah - Now with more boost. > Dusty Ventures 04/16/2018 at 11:20

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Good to know!

Noah - Now with more boost. > Liam Farrell 04/16/2018 at 11:21

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The one time someone hit me, I had to flag someone down who saw and have them give a statement. She might not have been at fault despite taking a left into my car.

Noah - Now with more boost. > Aaron M - MasoFiST 04/16/2018 at 11:21

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Yikes. I had no idea about that drunk driving law.

Noah - Now with more boost. > facw 04/16/2018 at 11:22

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I think this kind of legislation will be more appealing to the public in the future when autonomous cars degrade the average person’s driving skill.

Noah - Now with more boost. > kanadanmajava1 04/16/2018 at 11:23

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Yeah that moving violation policy sounds quite lenient.

Noah - Now with more boost. > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 04/16/2018 at 11:24

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Meanwhile in Boston... our trains don’t work when it snows a little. I do like the idea of taking people off the road with better public trans though!

Noah - Now with more boost. > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 04/16/2018 at 11:25

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Have you seen the vid of the guy facebook live streaming his slow police chase on a beach? Only in Florida?

Noah - Now with more boost. > DipodomysDeserti 04/16/2018 at 11:27

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Yeah the only accident I’ve been in was like this. Flagged someone down for a statement, she got a ticket

Noah - Now with more boost. > Chuckles 04/16/2018 at 11:28

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Yes and I can’t wait! We can’t expect people who have no interest in driving to be great at it. Autonomous cars are for them.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 11:29

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Yes, I play GTA

/s

Noah - Now with more boost. > Wacko 04/16/2018 at 11:35

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How are the cops with speeding up there? I will ve spending a ton of time on your mountain roads this season!

Noah - Now with more boost. > Spanfeller is a twat 04/16/2018 at 11:39

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Yeah there would be many a court case for disputes!

Noah - Now with more boost. > Urambo Tauro 04/16/2018 at 11:41

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The license test could be a lot harder too. For ex no parallel parking between cones, you should have to do the real thing under pressure with people waiting haha

Noah - Now with more boost. > functionoverfashion 04/16/2018 at 11:42

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I’m not sure! About MA at least. Never been in an at fault accident.

Noah - Now with more boost. > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 04/16/2018 at 11:42

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Sure!! Minus the ozone hole

Party-vi > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 11:43

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Oh I know. I’m practicing to write headlines for GMG.

Really though, at car #7 are her parents enabling her, or did she pump up those numbers to impress you? I can’t imagine she’s plowed into people at-fault a half-dozen times. I wonder how many of those were actual accidents, like hydroplaning or leaving her car in D instead of P.

My bird IS the word > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 11:43

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Mst of the cops round here will write tickets if they think some fuckery was involved. Its not mandatory bit it happens a lot.

DipodomysDeserti > Aaron M - MasoFiST 04/16/2018 at 11:46

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Jesus. In Arizona you can go to prison if you get a third DUI in 84 months. You license is automatically revoked for a year after your second DUI and you get to spend a few months in jail.

Noah - Now with more boost. > Party-vi 04/16/2018 at 11:47

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Oh her parents cut her off after 6! I think most were one car accidents. Also I’m totally the pot calling the kettle black haha this was chock full of them. Besides it got you sweet internet pointzz

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 11:53

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Ok this is one of my “if I were dictator”/ “when I come to power” thought exercises: crowd sourced driving records.

Basically, the concept was simple, the execution not so much. In this dystopian/ utopian scenario, everyone has a device in their car that knows who they are and what kind of car it is, and has a simple dashcam built in, but is largely passive otherwise.

If you’re driving down the street and say Car A is doing something dumb. Maybe they’re swerving, maybe they went straight in a left turn only lane... whatever. You see this, and through a simplified interface tag the car and some simplification of the action. This, along with relevant dashcam footage, is immediately uploaded, cataloged and stored, but nothing actually happens at the time.

Over time, trends should emerge. The people who habitually violate the rules should, in theory, get more tags than you or I who, generally, are good drivers and only occasionally mess up. It is at this point the people who are very clearly shit drivers get called in for a conversation. Just a conversation. They have no choice in the matter, but there are no consequences at this time if they show up. Basically they get told of the situation and have an opportunity to review and refute the complaints against them. Presumably even if a small percentage of the tags are erroneous or abusive, the bulk will be actual violations and they’ll have no ground to stand on. They can file for a formal appeal, but they’ll also be put on notice that they are now under increased scrutiny and they need to either minimize their driving or start driving better.

After this, the consequences start kicking in. They could range from fines, to mandatory driving classes, to restrictions on when, where, or how long they could drive.

Yes, there are a number of problems with this system. Abuse is one, but presumably if you’re going around tagging people who aren’t actually doing anything wrong, your tags get de-weighted and start reflecting poorly on your driving record. Another is yes, people need to drive in order to live in many places. That would have to be solved in its own right, but we could also make licence revocation as a last resort. Further we’re talking about massive infrastructure and equipment support deployment and maintenance, compatibility issues, etc etc, but.. baby steps. Maybe start with a limited roll out that is more of a tattle tale system tied to the offending vehicle, rather than the driver.

Anyway... that took longer than expected to type out... but those are my two cents.

M.T. Blake > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 11:54

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If a citation is issued after the collision investigation not only do you receive a point but you cannot contest the cite (California).

Noah - Now with more boost. > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/16/2018 at 11:55

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I love it! Lets be co dictatiors! I bought a dash cam for my WRX recently for these purposes.

Noah - Now with more boost. > M.T. Blake 04/16/2018 at 11:57

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The lady who got a ticket from the only accident I’ve been in had the nerve to tell me to slow down. I was doing 25 through an intersection...

Party-vi > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 12:02

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The Points Must Flow

Khalbali > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 12:11

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If someone is at fault in a collision I think they generally get a ticket of some kind already. I agree that we need to cut down on terrible driving but I don’t see a real proposal here. How would the police ever know if somebody hits their own car in their own driveway and fixes it on their own? We need better training and testing for sure but I don’t know i see any other ideas here.

Long-Voyager > Party-vi 04/16/2018 at 12:14

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*Man who’s driven for 60 years has fewer accidents than woman who’s only driven for a handful.

Question is: How has this woman had more accidents in a few years than this man who’s been driving for 60?

Party-vi > Long-Voyager 04/16/2018 at 12:22

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I see where you’re going, but experience is a factor. So is the fact that the 76 year old hasn’t spent all his time driving with people looking at GPS and their cellphones. In fact, a good 40 years or so would have been without Garmins and in-car nav and cellphones.

Long-Voyager > Party-vi 04/16/2018 at 12:29

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Nothing says the woman needed to be looking at those things either. Poor driving is just poor driving, regardless of age. If people were held responsible for their poor driving, it’s very likely there would be less of it on the road.

This man obviously made it through his less experienced years without issue, so what’s her excuse?

Wacko > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 13:52

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they Serve Tickets and Protect their Pensions

Aaron M - MasoFiST > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 14:02

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Fifth DUI is when you’re supposed to lose your license permanently. As long as you demonstrate economic need, though, they’ll give it back to you if you put an interlock in your car.

Noah - Now with more boost. > Khalbali 04/16/2018 at 16:05

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Mandatory dash cams! Paid for by the 1% ;D

Noah - Now with more boost. > Wacko 04/16/2018 at 16:10

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but will I get arrested?

Noah - Now with more boost. > Aaron M - MasoFiST 04/16/2018 at 16:12

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A guy with an interlock crashed into my neighbors’ well... berm I guess, which launched his drunk ass (there was a bottle of whiskey in the car...) into their granite light post. He left in cuffs.

Wacko > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 16:19

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if 40-50 km/h over the limit yes you will. and car will be impounded

https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/road-safety/modes-transportation/automobile/speeding/

Noah - Now with more boost. > Wacko 04/16/2018 at 16:59

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hahah oh man, good to know! thank you for the research!

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/16/2018 at 22:19

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not just careless driving,but what amazes me is how insurance companies don’t require either the state or some other governing body for annual car inspections.

The Mass system has a lot a problems, but it keeps a lot of shit off the road that I regularly see in other parts of the Northeast.

Along with that it always amazes me how little coverage insurance many people have, and how little is required under many state laws. My state raised the minimum and people flipped out, even though the limit had barely increased in 15 years. Dispite all the major increases in car values and health costs we’ve barely changed the minimum amount so people don’t feel (understand) the full cost in the event of an accident.

Noah - Now with more boost. > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 04/16/2018 at 23:26

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That’s a good point re: the insurance companies, I’ve never thought about it that way. You’d think it would save them money.

My state raised the minimum and people flipped out, even though the limit had barely increased in 15 years.

Typical. Nobody is willing to pay for the greater good any more. Very sad.

Aaron M - MasoFiST > Aaron M - MasoFiST 04/20/2018 at 16:18

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I need to correct my post, as I did a bit of research. In Massachusetts, lifetime revocations are lifetime revocations, no hardship exemptions allowed. From what I’ve seen, the two offenses that will get you a lifetime revocation are a fifth DUI and a second vehicular homicide. So, I apologize for presenting information that I didn’t confirm first. However, every non-lifetime suspension offense in Massachusetts is eligible for a hardship license after a certain amount of time.

As a note, you will also face a lifetime suspension of your boating license for your second boat murder.